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Post time 2006-3-4 08:13:00 | Show all posts |Read mode
Hi all,
I found this on-line, just not so sure it is close enough to the real thing. I'd appreciate some input.
The recipe is a bit simpler than the original; it's extract-based, for five gallons, and for a 60-minute boil with a two-stage hop addition rather than three. (You could stay with three if you liked, though.)
Ingredients:
    * 6 pounds Light (Pale) or Extra Light Dried Malt Extract (DME)
    * 2.5 pounds flaked corn
    * 1.5 pounds Crystal or Caramel malt, 20°L
    * 1 pound Special Roast malt
    * 1/8 pound Black Patent malt
    * 1 pound (1 1/3 cups) molasses (blackstrap is fine)
    * 2 ounces Kent Goldings hops
    * English or Scottish ale yeast (Wyeast 1968 or 1728, respectively)
Directions and notes:
Steep the grains and corn in your brew kettle as the water heats up (this is basically Papazian's method for adding grains to extract, the easy way). Remove the grains and add the malt and molasses as it comes to a boil.
I substituted the biscuit malt from the original recipe with Crystal because biscuit requires mashing (whereas Crystal, Special Roast and Black Patent do not). Technically, the corn requires mashing too (though I don't know if this is strictly necessary for extract—will the flaked corn still lend its characteristics to the wort even if not mashed?), so if you wanted to do a partial-mash, you could go back to the biscuit, drop the DME down a bit and use one pound of 2-row malt for the mash. If you do this, I'd follow the mashing guidelines of 154°F for about 45 minutes.
I'd suggest a hop schedule of 1.5 ounces at the beginning of the boil, and ½ ounce for finishing, with 15 minutes to go.
I bumped up the molasses amount from the original recipe to lend the more authentic flavor he suggested (he cut back the molasses for more "modern" sensibilities not used to it). I happen to like molasses in beer, and I'd push for the more Colonial style.
That's what I got!!! What do you, experienced ones think of it?
Cheers,
BrewbearBEER, not just for breakfast any more!
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Post time 2006-3-4 08:24:00 | Show all posts
Found this on another forum, can't take responsibility for it!
Poor Richard's Ale--Extract version
A ProMash Recipe Report
Recipe Specifics
----------------
Batch Size (Gal): 5.50 Wort Size (Gal): 5.50
Total Grain (Lbs): 10.50
Anticipated OG: 1.067 Plato: 16.41
Anticipated SRM: 17.8
Anticipated IBU: 34.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Grain/Extract/Sugar
% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
28.6 3.00 lbs. Generic LME - Dark Generic 1.035 25
28.6 3.00 lbs. Generic DME - Light Generic 1.046 8
19.0 2.00 lbs. Flaked Corn (Maize) America 1.040 1
11.9 1.25 lbs. Biscuit Malt Great Britain 1.035 35
9.5 1.00 lbs. Special Roast Malt America 1.033 40
2.4 0.25 lbs. Molasses Generic 1.036 80
Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.75 oz. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.05 12.9 60 min.
0.75 oz. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.05 11.8 45 min.
0.75 oz. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.05 9.9 30 min.

Yeast
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White Labs WLP002 English Ale
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Post time 2006-3-6 08:08:00 | Show all posts
Are you sure you can STEEP Corn??  I thought it needed the enzymes from modified malt to convert.  Can you do a mini mash?  If not, you may want to omit the corn and add Maltose to get the body....
Just checked Palmer's How to Brew:
Flaked Corn (Maize) Flaked corn is a common adjunct in British bitters and milds and used to be used extensively in American light lager (although today corn grits are more common). Properly used, corn will lighten the color and body of the beer without overpowering the flavor. Use 0.5-2 lb. per 5 gal batch. Corn must be mashed with base malt.
Consider a mini mash if you can...
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Post time 2006-3-6 04:23:00 | Show all posts
Brewbear,
Are you sure you want to bump up the molasses that much? That's 4 times the original amount.
Also, maize needs to be mashed so you are better off going with minimash for this recipe. I made the all-grain version and it is quite tasty.
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Post time 2006-3-6 04:45:00 | Show all posts
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 Author| Post time 2006-3-6 09:14:00 | Show all posts
Thanks for the replies,
To tell you the truth, I was in the chat room and asked about the recipe. Stinky said he found one and I told him I found one but wasn't too sure how accurate it was. I looked at the original AG recipe and the extract one I had found (and posted) and it looked a little odd- i'm too new to brewing to tell you what, but something seemed wrong. Stinky posted the recipe he found and now we are waiting for the more experienced to critique and hopefully provide suggestions. I think the recipe posted by Stinky is a bit closer to the real thing...WTF, what do I know?
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Post time 2006-3-7 07:09:00 | Show all posts
Bottom line Brewbear, you can't steep corn and Biscuit and get any sugar out of it.  You MAY get flavors, etc. but someone else will have to address that.
In my humble opinion Stinky's recipe is more accurate, but it substitutes Dark Extract for the Black Patent which you CAN steep.  This makes no sense to me.
If you cannot/will not do a mini mash, I suggest:
1 - Adding the black patent malt as per the AG recipe (.10lbs per my recipe) and steeping all of the grains Including the corn and Biscuit on the off chance that you will get flavors out of them.  
2 - Add some Malto Dextrin (1/4lb or so) to increase the body since steeping the corn will not do this.  
3 - Subtract any potential from the corn and the Biscuit, and add more extract (.25lbs more of EACH, dark and light for a total of 6.5lbs extract) to compensate for the loss of sugars.  
4 - Keep Molasses at .25lbs and don't use balckstrap unless you truly love molasses.  Stick with the middle of the road stuff and add it at the end of the boil.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it...  Hope it helps..
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Post time 2006-3-7 07:09:42 | Show all posts
I have no problem with a minimash, I have a slight idea about them, i think I actually done it once! I made a stout where I had a bunch of grains in addition to the extract, I put the grains in water and made a Tea of sorts for 30 min., drained the water and rinsed the grains in water at 170 deg.F for the next 15 min. Collected that water, put the entire deal in a large pot and boiled for 60 min....
Speyedr, thanks for the help...I will get that sucker going soon. I have a couple of beers i want to make and I have the ingredients for them, no time tho...Hope to say F#$$% it and call in sick this Friday and brew..lol
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BrewbearBEER, not just for breakfast any more!Good deal.
Also, check out the thread about "Justin's Mash.." or something like that.  It had some good tips on quick and easy mashes using big nylon steeping bags.  Make sure you steep it at about 155f.
I woudl STILL add a little more extract since a 30-min steep and 15-min soarge will leave sugars behind... and who DOESN'T want more alcohol??
Enjoy!

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 Author| Post time 2006-4-20 08:35:00 | Show all posts
I just found the Poos Richard's Ale recipe in extract form from the official site:
Poor Richard’s Ale – Mini-Mash/Extract Recipe from beertown.org
For 5 gallons using a 3-gallon boil.
O.G.: 1.068
F.G.: 1.018
IBU: 28.3
SRM: 19.3
BU/GU Ratio: 0.41
Fermentables
3.3 lbs. Light Liquid Malt Extract
1.75 lbs. Light Dry Malt Extract
1.5 lbs. Corn Sugar
1.75 lbs. Biscuit (“High Malt”)
1.0 lbs. Special Roast (“High Malt”)
2.0 oz. Black Patent (“High Malt”)
4.0 oz. Dark Molasses ­ 15 minutes before the end of boil
Hops — Whole Flower Kent Golding
1.0 oz. Kent Golding, (5.0% AA), 60 minutes
1.5 oz. Kent Golding, (5.0% AA), 45 minutes
0.5 oz. Kent Golding, (5.0% AA), 30 minutes
Yeast
English – White Labs WLP002 or Wyeast 1968
—OR—
Scottish – White Labs WLP 028 or Wyeast 1728
For historical accuracy, no fining agents should be used; however, if you just can’t help yourself, use 1 tsp. Irish moss.
Process
Steep the grains in 2 gallons of water at 154° F for 45 minutes.  Use 2 to 3 quarts water heated to 170° F to rinse the grains when they are removed.  Stir in the dry and the liquid extract and the corn sugar and bring to a boil.  Add the first hops at the beginning of the boil.  Boil for 60 minutes total, adding the second and third hop additions at 45 and 30 minutes to the end of the boil.  Add the dark molasses at 15 minutes to the end of the boil.  Cool the wort to 68° F and transfer it to a fermenter with 2 gallons of cold water.  Add sterilized water to top up the volume to just over 5 gallons.  Take a gravity reading and then pitch the yeast and aerate well.
Carbonation
Force carbonate similar to an Olde Ale or Strong Scottish Ale (1.9 – 2.2 volumes of CO2).
—OR—
Bottle condition using ¾ cup corn sugar.
Now I have on excuses, I have to brew it!
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 Author| Post time 2006-4-21 08:25:00 | Show all posts
Hi all,
Given that the above recipe is from the official site - one of the recommended recipes for Brew Day, I'm still stuck! I admit, I really don't know enough about the recommended yeasts to make an informed choice so I appeal to the more knowledgeble brewers: Which yeast should I use?
I know that some of the people on the forum brewed this in its AG form, which yeast did you use?
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Get which ever yeast they have in stock, there isn't that much of a difference.  If they had them both I would go with the english yeast, due to the fact that the english were more promenent in the colonies at the time than the scottish, the scottish migration happened later.  The scottish may give you a slightly drier beer with less esters than the english.
Look the 2 yeasts up on the websites for whitelabs and wyeast.
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I found this on-line, just not so sure it is close enough to the real thing. I'd appreciate some input.
The recipe is a bit simpler than the original; it's extract-based, for five gallons, and for a 60-minute boil with a two-stage hop addition rather than three. (You could stay with three if you liked, though.)
Ingredients:
    * 6 pounds Light (Pale) or Extra Light Dried Malt Extract (DME)
    * 2.5 pounds flaked corn
    * 1.5 pounds Crystal or Caramel malt, 20°L
    * 1 pound Special Roast malt
    * 1/8 pound Black Patent malt
    * 1 pound (1 1/3 cups) molasses (blackstrap is fine)
    * 2 ounces Kent Goldings hops
    * English or Scottish ale yeast (Wyeast 1968 or 1728, respectively)
Directions and notes:
Steep the grains and corn in your brew kettle as the water heats up (this is basically Papazian's method for adding grains to extract, the easy way). Remove the grains and add the malt and molasses as it comes to a boil.
I substituted the biscuit malt from the original recipe with Crystal because biscuit requires mashing (whereas Crystal, Special Roast and Black Patent do not). Technically, the corn requires mashing too (though I don't know if this is strictly necessary for extract—will the flaked corn still lend its characteristics to the wort even if not mashed?), so if you wanted to do a partial-mash, you could go back to the biscuit, drop the DME down a bit and use one pound of 2-row malt for the mash. If you do this, I'd follow the mashing guidelines of 154°F for about 45 minutes.
I'd suggest a hop schedule of 1.5 ounces at the beginning of the boil, and ½ ounce for finishing, with 15 minutes to go.
I bumped up the molasses amount from the original recipe to lend the more authentic flavor he suggested (he cut back the molasses for more "modern" sensibilities not used to it). I happen to like molasses in beer, and I'd push for the more Colonial style.
That's what I got!!! What do you, experienced ones think of it?
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Post time 2006-3-4 08:24:00 | Show all posts
Found this on another forum, can't take responsibility for it!
Poor Richard's Ale--Extract version
A ProMash Recipe Report
Recipe Specifics
----------------
Batch Size (Gal): 5.50 Wort Size (Gal): 5.50
Total Grain (Lbs): 10.50
Anticipated OG: 1.067 Plato: 16.41
Anticipated SRM: 17.8
Anticipated IBU: 34.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Grain/Extract/Sugar
% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
28.6 3.00 lbs. Generic LME - Dark Generic 1.035 25
28.6 3.00 lbs. Generic DME - Light Generic 1.046 8
19.0 2.00 lbs. Flaked Corn (Maize) America 1.040 1
11.9 1.25 lbs. Biscuit Malt Great Britain 1.035 35
9.5 1.00 lbs. Special Roast Malt America 1.033 40
2.4 0.25 lbs. Molasses Generic 1.036 80
Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.75 oz. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.05 12.9 60 min.
0.75 oz. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.05 11.8 45 min.
0.75 oz. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.05 9.9 30 min.

Yeast
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Are you sure you can STEEP Corn??  I thought it needed the enzymes from modified malt to convert.  Can you do a mini mash?  If not, you may want to omit the corn and add Maltose to get the body....
Just checked Palmer's How to Brew:
Flaked Corn (Maize) Flaked corn is a common adjunct in British bitters and milds and used to be used extensively in American light lager (although today corn grits are more common). Properly used, corn will lighten the color and body of the beer without overpowering the flavor. Use 0.5-2 lb. per 5 gal batch. Corn must be mashed with base malt.
Consider a mini mash if you can...
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Brewbear,
Are you sure you want to bump up the molasses that much? That's 4 times the original amount.
Also, maize needs to be mashed so you are better off going with minimash for this recipe. I made the all-grain version and it is quite tasty.
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 Author| Post time 2006-3-6 09:14:00 | Show all posts
Thanks for the replies,
To tell you the truth, I was in the chat room and asked about the recipe. Stinky said he found one and I told him I found one but wasn't too sure how accurate it was. I looked at the original AG recipe and the extract one I had found (and posted) and it looked a little odd- i'm too new to brewing to tell you what, but something seemed wrong. Stinky posted the recipe he found and now we are waiting for the more experienced to critique and hopefully provide suggestions. I think the recipe posted by Stinky is a bit closer to the real thing...WTF, what do I know?
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Post time 2006-3-7 07:09:00 | Show all posts
Bottom line Brewbear, you can't steep corn and Biscuit and get any sugar out of it.  You MAY get flavors, etc. but someone else will have to address that.
In my humble opinion Stinky's recipe is more accurate, but it substitutes Dark Extract for the Black Patent which you CAN steep.  This makes no sense to me.
If you cannot/will not do a mini mash, I suggest:
1 - Adding the black patent malt as per the AG recipe (.10lbs per my recipe) and steeping all of the grains Including the corn and Biscuit on the off chance that you will get flavors out of them.  
2 - Add some Malto Dextrin (1/4lb or so) to increase the body since steeping the corn will not do this.  
3 - Subtract any potential from the corn and the Biscuit, and add more extract (.25lbs more of EACH, dark and light for a total of 6.5lbs extract) to compensate for the loss of sugars.  
4 - Keep Molasses at .25lbs and don't use balckstrap unless you truly love molasses.  Stick with the middle of the road stuff and add it at the end of the boil.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it...  Hope it helps..
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 Author| Post time 2006-3-7 09:01:00 | Show all posts
I have no problem with a minimash, I have a slight idea about them, i think I actually done it once! I made a stout where I had a bunch of grains in addition to the extract, I put the grains in water and made a Tea of sorts for 30 min., drained the water and rinsed the grains in water at 170 deg.F for the next 15 min. Collected that water, put the entire deal in a large pot and boiled for 60 min....
Speyedr, thanks for the help...I will get that sucker going soon. I have a couple of beers i want to make and I have the ingredients for them, no time tho...Hope to say F#$$% it and call in sick this Friday and brew..lol
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